Comments on: Expected Value (Formula, Explanation, Everyday Usage and a Game) https://data36.com/expected-value-formula/ Learn Data Science the Hard Way! Fri, 11 Dec 2020 15:43:47 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.4 By: Tomi Mester https://data36.com/expected-value-formula/#comment-191257 Fri, 11 Dec 2020 15:43:47 +0000 https://data36.com/?p=5394#comment-191257 In reply to Matt.

Cheers!

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By: Matt https://data36.com/expected-value-formula/#comment-191256 Fri, 11 Dec 2020 13:40:36 +0000 https://data36.com/?p=5394#comment-191256 In reply to Tomi Mester.

Without running the game many times, I’d argue that it should be at least possible to calculate the ratio based on the risk you’re willing to take e.g. set the ratio to a value that with 90% chance you don’t loose all your money. (there’s probably an analytical solution here or by running a monte carlo simulation). Agree, great follow up topic. Thanks for sharing.

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By: Tomi Mester https://data36.com/expected-value-formula/#comment-191252 Thu, 10 Dec 2020 11:30:18 +0000 https://data36.com/?p=5394#comment-191252 In reply to Dries.

Thanks Dries.
That’s a smart comment. And indeed, you are right!
You can basically “hack” the game and take advantage of restarting it. (If it was real money, of course, it wouldn’t be that easy. ;-))
If you can win big on the first bet that can take you much further on the long term because of the compounding effect.

Tomi

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By: Tomi Mester https://data36.com/expected-value-formula/#comment-191251 Thu, 10 Dec 2020 11:28:49 +0000 https://data36.com/?p=5394#comment-191251 In reply to Matt.

hey Matt,

Thanks a lot! And as of your question: my intended “message” with the game was, that all positive EV bets can be good.
So… If I were the one betting I’d put all positive EV bets. As a rule of thumb (to minimize the role of chance) I’d bet with 1/10 of my money all the time. But I think that’d be a more conservative strategy and far from optimal.

I’m sure that there’s a far more optimal betting strategy that can either be calculated using stats+math… or if there are too many unknown variables in it, using machine learning (an “AI player”) to figure that out. Only I never had the time for that. : )

Would be a nice second hobby project!

Tomi

PS. another commenter suggested a pretty nice “hack” that solves the question for this particular game. See below/above.

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By: Matt https://data36.com/expected-value-formula/#comment-191243 Wed, 09 Dec 2020 08:17:21 +0000 https://data36.com/?p=5394#comment-191243 Hi Tomi

Really enjoyed this refresher on EV. I played with your application and wonder what’s the best strategy to both minimize the risk of ending up with 0 and maximizing the outcome e.g. what ratio of money do you allocate on the favorable bets?

Best, Matt

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By: Dries https://data36.com/expected-value-formula/#comment-191218 Sat, 05 Dec 2020 20:26:12 +0000 https://data36.com/?p=5394#comment-191218 Dear Tomi, thanks for your nice game related to expected value. However, to win the game, expected value is not the only key to take into consideration. The difference between the game and the roulette or risk-free investment case is that your game allows you the restart it as many times as desired, every time with the same start value. So, to win the game one has to take more risks than one should do based on the expected value criteria (i.e. expected value > 1).

Nevertheless, nice introduction to people not familiar with the concept.

(PS: my current high score is 1317700908)

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By: Tomi Mester https://data36.com/expected-value-formula/#comment-190637 Sun, 04 Oct 2020 20:58:48 +0000 https://data36.com/?p=5394#comment-190637 In reply to Periasamy Ramamoorthy.

Thanks! Cheers! Tomi

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By: Periasamy Ramamoorthy https://data36.com/expected-value-formula/#comment-187633 Fri, 25 Sep 2020 09:25:54 +0000 https://data36.com/?p=5394#comment-187633 Dear Tomi, I enjoyed your post explaining the concept of expected value in such practical real-life terms. Your writing style was simple and engaging too. Look forward to more such insights from you.

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